Some general discussion questions and a Hobbes open thread

Here's a few more general questions we might want to discuss tomorrow.

How would you characterize Hobbes' project in chapters 13-16? What is he trying to accomplish or demonstrate with these arguments?

We're left at this point with a pretty big problem--the laws of nature seem to be the foundation of a moral political society, but they don't seem to fit with Hobbes' description of the state of nature at all. How can we fulfill the second law of nature (to make covenants to seek peace) when we can't trust each other? How can we (by we I mean people in the state of nature) make a covenant that would successfully do this, under conditions of a state of war? (note: Hobbes gives us his answer in chapter 17. If you haven't already peeked ahead, I encourage you to give it some thought before you see his answer).

Where, according to Hobbes, does morality come from? Is his account satisfying? What other alternatives are there?

Post your thoughts on these questions, or other questions you find interesting or puzzling, or any other thoughts/comments you might have on Hobbes in this thread.